The confusion about Tenbury Town Council's decision-making regards Tesco became more compounded as of monday night's extraordinary meeting. As we recall, they rejected the Tesco plan recently, they then did a re-run and supported it - the validity of both meetings and results was clearly called into question after that so a third meeting was called. What was different about this third meet though was that Tesco PR rep Sophie and their planning representative from Cardiff had been drafted-in to help try to sweet-talk wavering Clrs regarding the way they'd vote.
Who invited Tesco's PR spin team?
What wasn't clear (and we suspect that there are those that would just say that this is 'sour grapes' on our part) was how Tesco reps came to be in the Town Council meeting in the first place. One assumes that they were 'invited' and if so then by whom? It could of course be one of the Councillors who did this but we stand to be corrected if anyone knows more specifics.
What wasn't clear (and we suspect that there are those that would just say that this is 'sour grapes' on our part) was how Tesco reps came to be in the Town Council meeting in the first place. One assumes that they were 'invited' and if so then by whom? It could of course be one of the Councillors who did this but we stand to be corrected if anyone knows more specifics.
You're either an audience member or you're not surely?
There were 3x 5 min talking slots from 'the audience' allowed as a standard. These individuals could address the Clrs and Lady Mayor to put across their position on the Tesco plan. Two locals spoke about their grave concerns related to the plan. Subjects such as severe traffic congestion, undercutting of town high street shops and Tesco's unique kind of 'benefit' [read loss of jobs and highstreet trade] to other towns were covered. Then came the third audience member to talk - but this wasn't another local airing concerns or support - instead they were two fully paid-up Tesco employees. While the points they tried to raise were garbled at best they were able to act as both 'audience' as well as being the applicant and proposer of the planning application.
The audience must remain quiet.
After these 15 minutes of 'audience' pointers and concerns were read out we [inc the Tesco representatives] were told in no uncertain terms that we should 'remain quiet'. From here on there would be a debate between councilors, we were also told that we would be ejected from the chamber should we talk or interrupt the debate. As such the audience respected this ask and kept quiet while the debate was underway.
After these 15 minutes of 'audience' pointers and concerns were read out we [inc the Tesco representatives] were told in no uncertain terms that we should 'remain quiet'. From here on there would be a debate between councilors, we were also told that we would be ejected from the chamber should we talk or interrupt the debate. As such the audience respected this ask and kept quiet while the debate was underway.
Were facts used to support debate or just supposition?
There then followed the expected debate between Clrs. For a while there seemed to be uncertainty as pro Tesco Clrs argued with Clrs who were airing various concerns about the plan still. To confuse the matter further there were various points raised by pro Tesco Clrs that were presented as 'fact' to the chamber when they were plainly not presented accurately. One example being that Ludlow was put across as being the 'same or similar' to Tenbury. In reality, Ludlow is very different from Tenbury though. Take for example the fact that Tenbury's population is about 3,500, that's less people that Ludlow's Council Estate of about 4000 people alone. Ludlow has a population of around 10,000 in total - that's nearly 3 times that of Tenbury. Ludlow has cleverly marketed itself in tune with the growing national interest in slow and locally produced foods - Tenbury hasn't that we're aware of. Ludlow has a the remains of a castle that administered the whole of Wales for 200 years - Tenbury hasn't. Ludlow has a vibrant cattle market which for many years has brought money and individuals into the town - Tenbury no longer has an cattle market in town. Ludlow's tourism industry has been cultured over many years and runs on a very different scale and with a larger array of assets to that of Tenbury's.
In short, you can't compare like for like - the two towns are substantially different. Although Ludlow has had recent news reports about the polarisation of trade to the superstore end of town it is never the less more resilient because of this broader mix of references at it's disposal. Those who are pro Tesco of course claim this resilience is down to a Tesco store in town but the many additional benefits the town has would seem to suggest otherwise.
There then followed the expected debate between Clrs. For a while there seemed to be uncertainty as pro Tesco Clrs argued with Clrs who were airing various concerns about the plan still. To confuse the matter further there were various points raised by pro Tesco Clrs that were presented as 'fact' to the chamber when they were plainly not presented accurately. One example being that Ludlow was put across as being the 'same or similar' to Tenbury. In reality, Ludlow is very different from Tenbury though. Take for example the fact that Tenbury's population is about 3,500, that's less people that Ludlow's Council Estate of about 4000 people alone. Ludlow has a population of around 10,000 in total - that's nearly 3 times that of Tenbury. Ludlow has cleverly marketed itself in tune with the growing national interest in slow and locally produced foods - Tenbury hasn't that we're aware of. Ludlow has a the remains of a castle that administered the whole of Wales for 200 years - Tenbury hasn't. Ludlow has a vibrant cattle market which for many years has brought money and individuals into the town - Tenbury no longer has an cattle market in town. Ludlow's tourism industry has been cultured over many years and runs on a very different scale and with a larger array of assets to that of Tenbury's.
In short, you can't compare like for like - the two towns are substantially different. Although Ludlow has had recent news reports about the polarisation of trade to the superstore end of town it is never the less more resilient because of this broader mix of references at it's disposal. Those who are pro Tesco of course claim this resilience is down to a Tesco store in town but the many additional benefits the town has would seem to suggest otherwise.
Commendations to Clrs who aired their concerns.
Commendations do have to be given though to those local Councillors who raised concerns about the plan - both in terms of potential traffic congestion, ill thought-through superstore parking arrangements and the fact that the Clrs possibly weren't paying full attention to the many concerns raised by locals that had been passed to them to consider.
Commendations do have to be given though to those local Councillors who raised concerns about the plan - both in terms of potential traffic congestion, ill thought-through superstore parking arrangements and the fact that the Clrs possibly weren't paying full attention to the many concerns raised by locals that had been passed to them to consider.
All pigs are equal but some are more equal than others.
What many in the audience couldn't square though was that during this debate some members of the audience were allowed their say and a right to reply when others who were on the public speaker list weren't. Pro Tesco Clrs asked if they could talk to the applicant as audience members and ask them further questions. The same facility to further detail and clarifiy wasn't extended to the rest of the audience or speakers though - many of whom who would have been able to clarify some of the claims put across as 'fact' in support of the Tesco application.
What many in the audience couldn't square though was that during this debate some members of the audience were allowed their say and a right to reply when others who were on the public speaker list weren't. Pro Tesco Clrs asked if they could talk to the applicant as audience members and ask them further questions. The same facility to further detail and clarifiy wasn't extended to the rest of the audience or speakers though - many of whom who would have been able to clarify some of the claims put across as 'fact' in support of the Tesco application.
So was the meeting conducted fairly?
In the event, Tesco representatives then had the chance to both clarify and even expand upon points raised by mainly pro Tesco Clrs. No one else had the same facility offered. Was it conducted fairly? You'll have to draw your own conclusions.
In the event, Tesco representatives then had the chance to both clarify and even expand upon points raised by mainly pro Tesco Clrs. No one else had the same facility offered. Was it conducted fairly? You'll have to draw your own conclusions.
Well that pretty much says it all - I would stilllike to see 'a statistically valid' poll of the people carried out - so who will help me? Ideally a pro Tesco person or persons so that we cannot be accused of bias
ReplyDeleteand finally - please contact me if you are prepared to help either confirm Councillor George Price's assertion that there is a silent majority or not :)
ReplyDeleteIt seems the shops in Tenbury selling cards might survive as the Tesco representative claimed they would only have a "small" card stand ....Believe that at you peril!!
ReplyDeleteI think the clerk and Mayor were trying their best to keep a lid on things in that meeting. The clerk was visibly taken aback when a councilor asked her if he could consult with the Tesco staff in the audience.
ReplyDeleteThe questions then asked were seemingly quite leading and this allowed the Tesco spokespeople to go on a 'tesco are brilliant' binge which neatly (too neatly?) offset all of that councilor's apparent fears.
It does seem odd that tesco were afforded the right to reply and the other speakers and audience members werent/were told to be quiet or be thrown out. The bit above about leading questions is a bit worrying.
ReplyDeleteFollowing are the reasons that Tenbury Town Council gave as to why the A1 Planning Application should be refused by MHDC in the meeting on September 26th 2011. In the meeting on the 10th October 2011 the Town Council voted to recommend approval of the application, can you figure out how the opinions could have a massive 'U turn'? Quoted from the draft minutes on the September 26th meeting:
ReplyDelete‘While the design might have improved the previous reasons for refusal have still not been satisfied which must be an issue for the Planning and Conservation Officers to consider.
Of greater concern locally are
• Retail impact - The applicant states that Bowketts, Spar and Co-op have a combined total floor area of 834m2. The application proposes a further 1260m2. St Mary's Church would fit inside the store. So much extra retail competition is unnecessary.
• A recent Sunday Times article (22/05/11) listed “ingredients” for a perfect high street including independent retailers and a cinema, Tenbury ticks all the boxes, why spoil it?
• Appearance - Supporters suggest that anything would be better than the derelict site but Tenbury deserves better than a large paved car park on a prestigious riverside site.
• English Heritage are still opposing the development.
• Traffic - increased volumes at the bridge and site junction must cause additional traffic problems in town.
• Site Entrance - narrow and badly planned. Only 6m wide at entrance with mixed access and pedestrians crossing. Cannot see how large vehicles can turn through 90° without swinging out if lane. While this happens traffic will back up over the bridge and through town.
• Within the Site - Clearance for delivery vehicles in car par-k is as low as 50cm in places according to applicant's plans. A poorly parked car could be hit by delivery vehicles or cause the traffic to back up within the site.
• Cannot understand how planning authorities can justify accepting this application when delivery vehicles use the same access as customer cars and have t o drive through customer parking to reach the Service area.”
One point I don't understand is the Planning Services at MHDC sent a letter to TTC dated 6th August asking for comments on the planning application. The letter clearly states (in bold) comments should be received within 21 days of the date of the letter.
ReplyDeleteThe comments returned, recommending approval of the application, by TTC were not sent back until 11th October 2011 (46 working days).
What is the reason for the delay and is it within the rules? Does anyone know?
It would sound to us that this should rule out TTC's perspective being considered if that is indeed the case?
ReplyDeleteA copy of the letter is in the list sent to MHDC on the planning application link. Perhaps it is within the time frame, if it's a comment about the planning application but if that's the case why put a restriction on time in the letter in the first place?
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ReplyDeleteOh dear! This sounds like another stitch up, where the big battalions march rough-shod over the wishes of the populace, despite their genuine concerns and honest arguments. It is quite clear that 'honest' is not a word that applies to some of our local councillors, who are willing to employ dirty tricks and underhand methods to get their way, despite the wishes of the majority of the local population. Seems as if they are training for a role in Central Government in due course!
What a terrible shame that TESCO - big name, big bucks and big promises - looks as if, yet again, they could continue unchecked in their effort to rule the world by using these three weapons in their arsenal.
Is there any truth in the rumour that a councillor has resigned over this affair?
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